Church of Body Modification

I didn't see a thread with this one by itself, so I hope it was ok to add it. In 2006 I read book called “Women who run with the Wolves” and the author speaks about the wild woman archtype. Part of her first story speaks about how women over centuries have been repressed from “wild” or primitive expression of who we are. That we've been kept up in corsets, long hair, etc to hide the shame we're supposed to feel about not conforming.

I started a dialogue about it in another group and wanted to start a bit of dialogue on this subject-the subjectivity of women in this group where modifications were concerned. I also wanted to include some of the great articles, pictures, and videos I've seen over the time on this particular subject.

For me, I still feel that for the most part we're somehow frowned upon if we start to go “wild” or “primitive”. It wasn't until reading LaVey's “The Satanic Witch” that I truly started to allow myself to be myself in this fashion. I think that we've been so indoctrinated over the centuries that it somehow has passed on in our DNA or something. Anyhow, I'll post links as I get them copied.

http://tattoo.about.com/cs/articles/a/tucson_weekly.htm

Tucson Weekly Scandal from 2000 (A must read for the girls)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_9-10_50/ai_n6123925

Factors that influence attitudes towards women with tattoos

This is one of my favorite styles of tattoo art

I would agree that now adays it is possibly regional, but is it really? I grew up in Montana and I can recall meeting both types of men. Those who wanted the “pretty” girl and those who were ok with the “hearty” girl. even in the city you run into it. I currently reside in Minnesota where you have all sorts of diverse women and not every man wants an opinionated one. I think that if we look at the general history of women, we've been through some interesting things. Most men through history have stated in some form or another that women had their place. Now, there are definately cultures that have embraced this woman, but they are few and far between, and not something we see a great deal of even today.

In today's world most men will admit they have issues having a female boss or if their wife makes more then they do. It seems to go back to the primal need to be the provider. There is also a blurring of what we ideally think of as a wild woman, a real woman, or so forth. I think we risk the dangers of being too much of one thing. In my humble opinion I do believe that a woman can do everything, but perhaps necessarily doesn't need to. We're a woman, so why should we wear a three piece suit just to prove we can? Or why should we even attempt to look or act like a man, why not honor that woman in us? I don't mean we all have to run around wearing dresses, but I think we need to enjoy our womanhood.

I can't agree though that all of the witchhunts were because a woman disagreed lol. We'd have a heck of a lot less woman hehe. But I get your point. If we look at historical leaders we've always seen just how much it is a power struggle, and sometimes over stupid things like sperm problems. Henry killed more wives simply because of no male heir totally unaware that it was his sperm that would choose boy or girl! Elizabeth was almost despised and hated by most powerful men because she refused to give into them. Cleopatra was rivaled by other males in power because she was a woman and in power. We've seen it all through history.

I think now we must, as females, decide how we're going to change this perception. In the world of body modification it's been a long time misnomer in America that only men get tattoos, save the side show freaks of the 20's and 30's. It's sad, but that is how it is perceived. It is somehow thought of as unfeminine to have a tattoo. However, if we get a boob job men are all over that. I'm not trying to be femininist or even bash men-I'm married to one lol, but there are some facts through history that we can't ignore and that we must decide how we're going to raise the next generation of women.

see now i see women who are opinionated and “wild” as amazing.  i hate all the plastic idiots walking around just following the flow and doing what ppl think they should be doing.  i mean if i had a choice between spending a day with a so called “perfect girl” or a moddified art student with a mohawk id totally hang out with the art student, altho she could also turn out to be just as dumb but still.

I agree with you, being kind is being kind, something we need more of in the world. (Won't break into a Beatles song, promises).  I think we're growing away from the old stereo-types, but I think it is still slow. And I agree, if you have nothing in common with someone it's hard to stay in a relationship regardless of at what level.

SOME of us were RAISED to be gentlemen, and some of us are going further by raising our CHILDREN to be gentlemen and gentlewomen. 

David/Midian2000

Pandoras_Muse said:

That's a good thing. I am certainly going to raise my children with manners, if and when I have kids. And you can bet if I have boys that they will open doors and pull out chairs, etc.

But why just boys? Why not teach our children a broad respect for all other humans, not based on their gender but the simple fact that we're all human?

Pandoras_Muse said:

the Tuscon Weekly article gets my blood to boiling, though. For someone to insinuate that someome is stupid simply because they are tattooed or pierced is ridiculous. I think that guy should stick his opinions up his ass, where they make more sense.

 I have to agree! I can't believe the ignorant views he has on it. His head is so far up his ass he can't see anything from a realistic point of view.

 I can't believe he went out of his way to claim that basically every woman who gets a tattoo is going to end up mordbidly obese in at least 20 years and have her body be a mess of tattoos and disgust. That's awful, and probably the stupidist thing I've ever heard. There are more reasons for women to get tattoos than to look SLEAZY or EASY (i know for me personally that's never been a reason). Not to mention how he points out that every guy with an earring is apparently gay and destined to inbreed - so, I guess the guy I'm dating is gay, all my friends are gay, and they all want to sleep with their cousins etc. etc. I'm so glad this guy could clear that up for me, you know?

 I haven't seen such a long, uneducated rant of stupidity and ignorance in a long time. I don't know about the rest of you, but I am aware of what my IQ is, and I'd have to say that for me, personally, and from what I see in the church and where I work: three digit IQs and tattoos apparently DO go together quite well.

 Hey, Anora, I had “Women who run with the Wolves” recommended to me before, and I've been meaning to get on it. I'm glad to see someone else has read “The Satanic Witch”. This is a great thread to start, I'm glad someone brought it up.  Ha, I feel bad for my guy he always has to listen to me go off on this subject, or similar ones, all the time.

Pandoras_Muse said:

the Tuscon Weekly article gets my blood to boiling, though.

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Where is this article? I looked on that website to no avail…