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August 13, 2012
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We have 2 full moons in the month of August this year!!  As many people may know, the 2nd full moon in a month is called a "blue moon."  It will not happen again until 2015.  I would like to do some sort of ritual and would be happy for people to join me.  Maybe you have something in mind, but I was thinking a fast would be good.  I will also put my jewelry out in the moon light for a bath.  I also moon tan on a regular basis which always makes me feel great.  Maybe a binding?  Any thoughts?

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August 14, 2012
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I wasn't aware this month had a blue moon so thanks for mentioning it. I think doing something special is a great idea and if we can coordinate something for several members to take part in, even better.

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August 14, 2012
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I'm game for a fast for this, and like the idea of of moon bathing jewellery. I've done this with ritual tools before, but never jewellery!

How about something to bring energy into an area of your life, rather than a binding, if we do this on the day of the second moon? (We've missed the first!)

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August 14, 2012
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I'm all up on an astral groove with this meteor shower we've been having.  I'm loving the night sky and I can't seem to stop looking up!! 

The full is on the 31st.  Let's think about it.

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August 15, 2012
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i have a question so the blue moon is on 31st when do you do the ritiual, 30th midnight or on 31st midnight? cause if its 31st than idnight would make it 1st? hope iam making any sense. just dont want to lose the opportunity. thanks

August 15, 2012
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The time of the full moon crest is 13:58 GMT, that's Greenwich Mean Time.  That translates to the AM hours in the United States and the UK.  So, the full crest is closer to August 30th at midnight.  However, it is my understanding the full moon effects the gravitational pull for 3 days, so the day before, the day of, and the day after would all be auspicious. Anytime, anywhere.

Is anyone trying to make a 3 year goal since we won't have another blue moon until 2015?

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August 15, 2012
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Hi nk, welcome to the forum!

 How the timing is worked i guess depends on intent of the ritual to an extent, but also what might suit people or be practical. A fast overnight might defy the point!.

The full moon occurs (where i am) on the 31st at 14.59 BST British Summer Time, which is GMT+1), but won't be visible until moonrise at 19.22 BST. It sets on the 1st at 06.10 here.

The previous moon sets on the 31st at 04.55. We could maybe fast from then until the full moon sets? That would seem apt for harnessing energy. What do people think?

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August 15, 2012
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According to CBSNews.com the moment of the full blue moon is 9:58am Eastern, 6:58am Pacific on the morning of August 31st.  So, if you're looking for a night that most closely matches the moment of the full moon it would be the night which begins with sunset on the 30th and ends with sunrise on the 31st for those of us in the US.  Midnight on the 31st is the middle of this night, as 12:00 am represents the beginning of a calendar day, not the end.

However, for Oakbear and anyone else in the UK or more eastern locales, they would want to choose the following night.

Incidentally, there are a few time zones near the international date line where the moment of full moon falls on September 1st, meaning that this will not be their blue moon.  Their blue moon will be the following full moon on September 30th, a full moon which will occur on September 29th for the rest of us.

The gravitational pull of the moon on the earth is unaffected by how much of the moon we can see.  The gravitational pull we feel from the moon is affected only by how close the moon is to the earth. This changes by about 12-13% during the moon's orbit, as it is not perfectly circular, however this cycle is not in perfect time with the phases of the moon.  The nearest (perigee) and furthest (apogee) points of the moon's orbit are influenced by the sun's gravity, and so there is some correlation to the lunar cycle, but it is in no way a perfect match-up.

There are full moons which nearly coincide with the perigee of the moon's orbit, but there are also full moons which coincide with the apogee, and full moons which coincide with neither.

This link shows a calendar which calculates both the perigee/apogee cycle of the moon, and the phases of the moon for any given year (all times listed in Coordinated Universal Time or UTC which is essentially the same as GMT).  According to this, we missed another something special in May when, on the 5th in the US, 6th in the UK, the moments of perigee and full moon were only two minutes apart.  It was also the moment of the moon's nearest perigee for the entire year.  Next year, the same correlation will occur on June 23rd, when the full moon and perigee occur 23 minutes apart.

According to this tool, the next time the correlation between perigee and full moon is less than ten minutes will not be until October 2095, when it will be only seven minutes apart.  After that, the next such near-correlation will be in February 2134 when they will be only six minutes apart.  There are several correlations which are less than an hour, or only a few hours apart, but it seems we missed a once-in-a-lifetime event.

An interesting pattern I noticed when using this tool is that the nearest perigee of the year almost always coincides with a full moon, and only sometimes coincides with the new moon, but always coincides with one or the other by less than a day.  The furthest apogee of the year seems to have the opposite pattern, almost always coinciding with the new moon, and only seldomly with the full moon, but always within less than a day.

The perigee and apogee full moons can be recognized because they will be the largest and smallest full moons of the year.  The moon looks about 12% smaller in the sky and will not shine as brightly when at apogee.

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However, as I said the gravitational effect of the moon on the earth is unaffected by the moon's phase or apparent brightness.  The moon will have the same gravitational influence during perigee at full moon as it would during perigee at new moon, with only slight variation due to minor differences in the exact distance at perigee.

Having said all that, I'm happy to participate in a ritual or fast if we can agree on a particular time to do it.  I'm not sure what mysticism says about it, but I think the exact moment of the full moon (whatever time zone you're in) would be a good time for it, despite the fact that the moon will have set for most of us not abiding in the Pacific, Australia, or the Asia.  It is still the moment when you can draw a near-perfect line from the Sun to the Earth to the Moon for the second time this month.

On the other hand, perhaps midnight of the 31st is best.  Unless you're in one of the time zones I mentioned earlier, the full moon will be happening on the 31st, and midnight on the 31st, wherever you are, would be a good time to recognize the moon, as it will be almost directly overhead.

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August 15, 2012
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It must have taken four or five hours for me to do the necessary research to write that last post, so I'm gonna steal an extra four points for that one…lol

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August 16, 2012
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That is really so thoughtful of you to make the effort to teach us!!  I always thought the tides in the ocean were stronger during a full moon because of the gravitational pull.  Makes WAY more sense the way you posted!!  I thought the gravitational pull was effected by the sun and moon relationship…. super interesting!!  Thank you for all you do.

    Any plans or thoughts on December 2012 Venus transit and eclipse and alignment?  Any futuristic thoughts of being on other planets or anything?

   

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August 16, 2012
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I could do another article specifically on the tides, if you're interested.  It's a similar topic, having to do with the proximity of the moon to the earth, but the sun does have an effect as well, especially when they're in-line with each other during new moon.

From what I learned yesterday, I think a perigee new moon would be the highest tide of the year because the moon is at its closes point in orbit, and the sun is pulling in the same direction.

I'm going to do some research on the Venus transit and I'll let you know what I find.  I do indeed have some futuristic thoughts about a lot of things, though I'm not sure what part of this forum all of this would best fit into.

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August 16, 2012
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Just to be clear, I'm referring to the Dec. 21, 2012 alignment and eclipse event.  All the predictions sort of create a buzz!!

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August 16, 2012
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I would be interested in participating in some sort of fast! When do we want to do this? I'm in CST, but whenever everyone agrees, I'll be there.

August 16, 2012
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I've never been afraid of the end of the world, and December 21, 2012 is no exception.

I assume the expectation that the world will end rises from the book of Revelations, and indeed there will come a time when this planet is no longer capable of supporting life of any kind, but this won't happen until our sun begins to die several billion years in the future.

There are a lot of other claims about December 21, 2012.  Suffice it to say, I think it's all a bunch of rubbish, no different than the Y2K scare or other such doomsday prophecies throughout human history.  All of which have failed to come true.

There is a series of videos on YouTube released by Science360.com which address these claims and show the actual science on the subject.

The following links will take you to these videos.  I've watched all the videos and I've summarized the points they make below the links.

Science 360: 2012 Truth – Mayan Calendar

The Mayans used several calendar systems.  One of these systems does end on December 21, 2012, but they never predicted the end of the world.  It's actually just the end of one cycle and the beginning of another.  Sort of like when the odometer in your car rolls over to show all zeros again.  Many references in Mayan ruins refer to times beyond this date.

Science 360: 2012 Truth – Planetary Alignment

As far as science can tell there has never been an alignment of all the planets in the solar system, nor will there be any alignments on this date.

Science 360: 2012 Truth – Galactic Plane Alignment

Scientists have calculated that we last passed through the galactic plane about 3 million years ago, and we are now moving away from it.  We will not pass through it again for another 30 million years.

Science 360: 2012 Truth – Galactic Center Alignment

The sun never truly eclipses the galactic center.  There is an approximate alignment with the galactic center twice every year.  Once in December when the sun is in the sign of Sagittarius, and once in June when the sun is in Gemini.  So…big deal.

Science 360: 2012 Truth – Solar Eruption!

The sun will be at solar maximum.  In fact, it's at solar maximum right now, and will be for a few months, but there have been plenty of solar maximums that were larger than this one, and there have been no extinctions because of it.  The worst we can expect is power outages and dropped calls on our cell phones.

Science 360: 2012 Truth – Planet Niburu!

A planet on the orbit described by the Niburu theorists could not hide behind the sun for years at a time.  It would be traveling much more quickly than the theorists claim.  Even if it were traveling at the speed they claim, it wouldn't hide behind the sun for years, because Earth is revolving around the sun, and we would soon be in a place where the sun did not eclipse Niburu.  A planet four times the size of Jupiter would be easily visible to the naked eye in the sky as more than just a point of light.

And something else they didn't mention in this video: A planet four times the size of Jupiter would have so much gravity that it would have disrupted the orbits of all the inner planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars) long ago.  The inner planets would have been captured as moons by Niburu, collided with Niburu, or been shot out of the solar system entirely.  One way or another, if such a planet actually existed life could never have formed on this planet in the first place because it wouldn't exist.

Science 360: 2012 Truth – Asteroid Strike!

There are tons of people looking for asteroids and comets that might impact the earth because that sort of thing does happen, but no one has discovered anything that will come close to us on this date.  These events are impossible to predict until you discover the object and calculate its orbit.  If you don't see it coming, it's a cosmic sucker punch.

Science 360: 2012 Truth – Magnetic Pole Reversal!

The magnetic poles of the earth do reverse themselves from time to time, but there is no regular pattern to it so it is totally unpredictable.  The current strength of the earth's magnetic field is above average and shows no sign of reversing any time soon.  When it does reverse itself again it takes thousands years to complete the process, and so, does not happen on a single day, but rather, during an age.  During a pole reversal, the strength of the magnetic field stays about the same, and it will continue to protect us from solar radiation.

As a matter of fact, I wish I could live in an age when the poles were reversing because you'd have "Northern Lights" effects all over the world.  Magical.

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August 16, 2012
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I have watched those videos and I like all of them.  Your commentary is funny and insightful.  I have not subscribed to the "end of the world" dogma and I don't plan on it.  I do, however, think there must be something related to this time for our planet which we may or may not be aware of at this time.  I feel like future generations will read about this 100's of years from now.  Also, all the signs and clues I see within myself lead me to metal being a major element involved.  I have had numerous dreams about the atomic number 27.  Here is a quick link with some facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C…..tous   

I know some people don't like wiki, but this seems easy to understand.

I asked about the Venus transit Sun because both have personal meaning beyond textbook knowledge for most people.  Venus has a common association for many.  The relationship between Earth and other planets and the Sun can be metabolized on a personal level through our bodies and our personal relationships with others. 

Anyway, yes to the group ritual.  I'm in.  Seems like we have the interest of a few heads and a few hearts, so putting the body in line should happen pretty organically. 

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August 17, 2012
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Yeah, Wikipedia got a bad reputation because when it first started up, anyone could put up anything they wanted, and they simply relied on the fact checking of other users to eliminate any errors, but this was gradual, so nothing could really be taken seriously.

Since then they've hired a team of fact checkers to verify any new pages or updates to existing pages.  They've also got a list of their references at the end of each page, where you can verify the content of each page if you don't believe them.  After all that, I have come to trust Wikipedia as a useful and reliable source of information.

As for the Venus transit, I found this site which describes just how rare the transit really is.  I had no idea, but it turns out that the transit event happens in pairs about eight years apart, but these pairs happen only once every 105 years.  That's the amount of time from the last transit in one pair to the first transit in the next pair.

The most recent transit was June 5-6 of this year.  The previous transit was in June 2004.  The next pair of transits won't occur until December of 2117 and 2125.  It's cool that it happens in the same month both times in a pair.

A Venusian year is 224.7 Earth days, so there is an approximate alignment of Earth and Venus at least once and sometimes twice every year (a blue Venus?), but because the planes of the orbits of Earth and Venus are not the same, Venus appears to be either above or below the Sun from our perspective on most of these occasions.

The same is true of the planes of the Earth's orbit and the Moon's orbit, which is why we don't get lunar and solar eclipses every month.  In fact, this is true of the planes of the orbits of every body in the solar system, so exact alignments of three or more bodies basically never occur.  The best anyone can hope for is a close but approximate alignment.

For example, if you could see the solar system from a sort of top-down view, it would appear that you could draw a perfectly straight line from the Sun through the Moon to the Earth at the moment of every new moon.  However, a side view at the same moment would show that the Moon is either above or below the plane of the Earth's orbit, meaning the line is not exactly straight.

Even during a total solar eclipse, the Moon's shadow almost never passes directly over the center of the Earth.  Only during such a rare event could the hypothetical line be perfectly straight.  As one might expect, there are several times when the moon is very near to this perfect alignment, but absolutely perfect?  I'm not sure, but after searching the web for half an hour I can find no mention of such an event, past or future.  If such a thing does occur you can bet it's extremely rare.

However, I did find this chart on Eclipse-Chasers.com which shows a scatter pattern of several eclipses.  This link provides a larger chart and more details.  Only one type of eclipse is shown on this chart, but there are clearly many eclipses which are off by less than 1% of the radius of the Earth.  It is impossible to tell from this chart whether any of these eclipses are actually perfectly above the center of the earth.

Gamma is used as a term representing the closest passage of the eclipse event to the center of the Earth.  Gamma = 0 would be one of the eclipses I've been talking about.  Gamma = 0.5 or Gamma = -0.5 is an eclipse that misses the exact center of the Earth by 50% of the radius of the Earth.  Positive gamma means it passed north of the center.  Negative gamma means it passed south of the center.

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August 17, 2012
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I need to make a correction to my previous post.

The Venusian year is indeed 224.7 Earth days long, however, I said before that there is at least one Earth-Venus alignment per year, and sometimes two.

I have been using a gravity simulation program with a model of the solar system to further investigate that fact.  Turns out this alignment occurs with a pattern of approximately 19 months 5 days.

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August 17, 2012
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While investigating the Venus-Earth alignment cycles I found this website which claimed that there were six alignments of Venus and Earth beginning with June 2004 and ending with June 2012.  It further claimed that one could draw a line between the position of Venus at one alignment, to the position of Venus at the next alignment, and so on, creating a perfect five pointed star.  Using the orbit of Venus as another line, one creates a perfect pentacle.

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From MysticMamma.com

This sounded a bit far-fetched to me, so I had to investigate.

I immediately turned to my gravity simulator again and began using my Photoshop skills to create the following composite image of all six of these alignments.  In these pictures the Earth sometimes appears blue and sometimes white.  This is because this simulation also includes the Moon, which it draws in white and sometimes draws of on top of the Earth.  At this scale, the Earth and Moon are virtually in the same place.

Earth-Venus-Alignments-1.jpg

As you can see, the 2004 and 2012 alignments in June are very close together, which is to be expected because these two alignments, though eight years apart in time, were separated by only three calendar days.  Here is a zoomed in image so you can see the difference more clearly.

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At first glance, the alignments do appear to make a perfect star.  I have to admit, when I first started to do this I was expecting to completely blow this idea out of the water, but after making the first image I was intrigued and had to keep going.

In the next image I've drawn lines between the positions of the Earth and Venus at each of these alignments, and they do indeed make pretty good stars, but if you've got a sharp eye you can see they are not exactly perfect.

Earth-Venus-Alignments-with-lines-1.jpg

In this last image I've drawn an absolutely perfect star in white by first drawing a line between the first two alignments.  I made other four lines by copying and rotating the first line by the exact amount required to make a perfect star (144 or 72 degrees clockwise and counter-clockwise).  Here, it is even more clear that it is not perfect at all.

Earth-Venus-Alignments-with-true-star-1.jpg

As I said, I was expecting this idea to be completely wrong, but I was surprised at just how close to perfect it really is.  The August and October alignments seem to be off by a several days, but the March alignment seems to be off by only about a day or two.

Fascinating.

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When the Y2K "bug" went around my hobby was taking broken electronics apart and making marionette puppets out of them.  I would try to combine organic materials like oyster cluster shells for feet and bodies made of broken mother boards.  I made "Y2K" bug paperweights out of whatever broken computer parts I could find and they sold like CRAZY!!!! 

    After all this tinkering and research, I ask you what you will distill from all of it.  How will it effect your personal experience in our group ritual?  Or will it? 

 

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That's a cool hobby and a great way to capitalize on it.

I'm not certain what I've learned will change too much about my perspective on the ritual.  I'm still not certain what sort of ritual we're thinking of.

A more significant impact could be my work schedule.  I start training on the 27th and I'm not positive what my schedule will be, but I may not be able to stay up so late that evening.  If that is the case I suppose I'll do my ritual before I go to bed that evening.

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