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Large, a relative term
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June 17, 2012
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So this is something that just popped into my mind. What do you consider to be a large size for different piercings? What constitutes a large septum, labret, nostril, tongue, cartilage, prince albert, etc? Why do you think the answers will vary person to person?

 

I know personally I thought that my 0g prince albert wasnt THAT big, but my buddy who was only at a 6g with his at the time thought it was massive.

 

So I guess basically what I am asking, what is a general benchmark for large? Or is there even one?

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June 17, 2012
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Great topic!!  I think 1 inch is the smallest size I will put in the large category for earlobes. 

I'll say 4g for any male genital piercing through the head and 0g for the scrotum. 

4g for female genital piercings… labia, hood, all of it.

Gosh, I don't know about nipples. 

These standards of "large" are not what I consider large…

Here is my personal list of large:

Lobes= 2 inch

nipples= 1/2 inch for men or women

genitals= 00g (or 1/4 inch) for men or women

nostrils= 00g

lip= 00g

eyebrow= no idea

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June 18, 2012
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This is a good topic. I have a buddy who looked at me one day when we were doing some legislation stuff that came up here in Missouri, and he said it worked better for me because I wasn't that modified. This is true, most of my tattoos are hidden. And then he looked at my face and said I have some "pretty large earlobes." I personally don't think so. I'm at 7/16" right now.

 

Large, according to me:

Earlobes: over 1"

pretty much anything else: 00g

 

But, I'd say that a 2g nostril is pretty large, too, because to me that's pretty far away from my 18g nostril.

June 18, 2012
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I won't bother commenting on where the line is between large and not, as I basically agree with everyone else.

But as far as why the answer varies from person to person, I'd say it's just a matter of what they've been exposed to.  When I first started getting tattooed I thought 1/2" lobes were large, and bigger than 1" was just huge.  Now, my own lobes are over 9/16" and I still don't think they're large at all.

As my knowledge of modification has grown, so has my perspective.  It's a bit like money.  When I was a kid $20 was a fortune.

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June 18, 2012
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I think it depends on the piercing and how common certain sizes are.  Its hard to consider a 00 earlobe piercing large because its so common now days.  However, a 00 labret is certainly large because its rarely ever seen.  Where that line is, however, is going to be very subjective.

June 18, 2012
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Like the title says, it's relative. By it's nature 'large' is of higher size in relation to others of it's type. That means cultural norms have an impact, as well as personal expectations.

Not that long ago 00g lobes were very rare in comparison to 20g, and thus were considered large. Now they are less so, but i bet plenty of people stretching get to 00g and still think 'wow they're huge!'.

I think i try and define large as relative to that person, rather than comparing between people. If that make sense?!

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June 19, 2012
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i remember when i hit 5/8 in my ears and thought they where huge now im at a 1 5/8 and 5/8 looks small to me i think its like what oakbear said it really depends on what your used to seeing i didn't think my septum was that big cause all my friends have large septums and when i started stretching mine no one had jewelry cause mine was too big and i thought that was stupid cause mine was so small in comparison to my friends  

June 20, 2012
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SasQuatch9585 said
As my knowledge of modification has grown, so has my perspective.  It's a bit like money.  When I was a kid $20 was a fortune.

That's an amazing way to put it, I never thought of that. And i agree with everyone here as far as large being dependant upon what the individuals have been exposed to, but I still feel like for certain piercings theres a certain point that the modification community… respects more, for the lack of a better word. I think that certain sizes show the knowledge and proves the patience of the individual, bringing the modifications back to their original roots.

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June 21, 2012
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If we take the 'modification community' to be a subculture, it has it's own set of norms and values. Therefore 'large' is going to be relative to these. Those who have participated in this gorup for some time will have seen lots of mods which would be considered very extreme to those outside the group, and thus 'large' is going to be bigger than how others would see it.

I think the acknowledgement and respect of achievement, in regard to patience, overcoming pain, knowledge, extremity, healing etc is a separate issue to what is large. It does however mean that increases in size of mods are not unusual, as people have sub-cultural status incentives to do so.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Nietzsche
June 21, 2012
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Oakbear said

It does however mean that increases in size of mods are not unusual, as people have sub-cultural status incentives to do so.

 

That's very true.  People seem to crave the next best thing.  People want to out-do the other guy so there is this constant escalation.  The line between common and extreme mods seems to be constantly raised.

However, I think it's important--for me, at least--not to get caught up in the competition.  In order to remain true to myself I need to have the mods that I truly want, not because they're bigger, wilder, or more painful than the next person, but because this is how I want to look.  This is my path, not the path chosen for me by society, whether it be main-stream or sub-culture.

Realistically, there's plenty of people who have already modified themselves more extremely than I ever want to modify myself, so I could never win a competition like that anyway.

And what's more, I think it's important for our sub-culture, and especially for our church, to accept people for being different.  The people who regularly participate on this forum seem to be accepting of all, but I think the sub-culture as a whole tends to push people to fit in and be cool, which is, to me, a bit tragic.

We are those who do not fit in.  We are those who rejected the demands of society to cut our own path through the jungle.  I think it would be horribly ironic if we were to reject or disrespect others because their mods are fewer in number or less extreme than our own.

You cut your path and I'll cut mine.  If we can help each other along the way, then cool.  If not, then cool.  Just the fact that you're unafraid to be who you really are earns my respect.

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June 21, 2012
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I know we are getting a bit off topic (Larger) .. but I agree with Oakbear … my modifications have not for many years .. been spur of the moment .. nor were they ever 'one upping' or 'keeping up with the Joneses' … heck it took me 15 years to get my latest mod ( some of you know what I did )

Anyway .. back to the topic .. I think we can all agree that Large is a relative term

My unmodded friends think my 5/8 in lobes are gargantuan .. I think they are just the right size for me .. if for no other reason than the average 6 sided die … is 5/8 in across its face :)

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June 25, 2012
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SasQuatch, excellent post, i agree wholeheartedly.

 

It brings home to me how we are programmed as social animals, as even we who deliberately take an individual path can get drawn into cultural groups. I try not to, but have felt the 'pull' of it on occasion. If you look at the Modded community, there are many cliques and groupings.

It has become more complicated by acceptance and adoption by part of the mainstream. Shannon Larrett (who is blogging about body mod again on his Facebook page, and it blows the new Modblog out of the water. Look him up asap!) made an interesting post about 'good looking people' now getting body modifications of the type associated with modded culture, and how this was a change to ten or twenty years ago. I suppose for some it is about being 'different' in the same way teen trends tend to be once marketing gets involved….Frown

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June 25, 2012
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Kevin,

I once knew a tattoo artist that actually wore 2D6 in his lobes, but he had to take them out because his lobes were stretching thin across the corners and he was worried about them splitting entirely.  I suppose they would be fine for temporary wear.

Btw, for those who don't know gaming terms (probably most of us) 2D6 means two die with six sides.

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June 25, 2012
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LOL .. I do as well .. but they are 1/4" inch .. and pivot on the corners .. inside 5/8" tunnels

 

Example

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June 26, 2012
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That's a cool looking set of tunnels, but this guy just had actual red D6 in his ears.  Like he got them out of a game of Risk.  Either way, pretty cool.

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June 26, 2012
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Kevin, I seriously need to get me some of those.  They are pretty damn awesome!

June 26, 2012
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Loving the the dice tunnels!

 

I wonder if you could turn a saddle in the middle of die to make it more wearable?…

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June 26, 2012
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<< Kevin, I seriously need to get me some of those.  They are pretty damn awesome! >>

If you ever get a set .. send me a pic .. as I would like to see what someone else looks like       wearing them :)

<< I wonder if you could turn a saddle in the middle of die to make it more wearable? >>

I dont see why not .. the only problem I can see would be what you have to do to get them through your holes … I cant begin to put in a 5/8" die … yet if I turned a 5/8" saddle in the middle … it should be no problem wearing it … Can anyone think of a way that the die could be parted (ie separated into two pieces .. right along the saddle) so it could be easily inserted … then  the back put on?

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June 26, 2012
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Kevin_cook said

Can anyone think of a way that the die could be parted (ie separated into two pieces .. right along the saddle) so it could be easily inserted … then  the back put on?

The only way I could think of would be to saw the die in half, drill two small holes on the inside of each half, and glue in some threads on one side, and a socket to accept the threads on the other side.

The downfalls:

   Sawing it in half would reduce the thickness of the die, but using the thin blade of a band saw or scroll saw would make such a thin cut that the difference may not be noticeable.

   The gap between the two halves would probably collect a lot of sebum, requiring regular cleaning.

Not to big a deal, really.  the tricky parts would be making a nice straight cut on such a small piece (and doing it without cutting yourself) and properly centering the threads so both sides of the saddle would line up.

Another option would be to leave one face of the die intact, but turn the rest of it down so it could be inserted like a standard plug.  Plugs are usually half an inch or so from front to back, so if the die is 5/8" on all sides, this would leave one face and 1/8" of the surrounding faces intact, while the rest of the die was turned round and the back side flared out to form a saddle, or grooved to accept an o-ring.

Either way you go, the trickiest part would be mounting the die in the lathe in the first place.  Perhaps if it was glued to a piece of wood on one side to allow it to be gripped by a 3 or 4 jaw chuck…that would probably allow enough room to work it, but it would still be tricky to get the die perfectly centered on the lathe.

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June 26, 2012
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And one more thing…

I'm not sure the die wouldn't just shatter under the stress turning.  I suppose that would depend on what it was made of in the first place.  If it's solid acrylic I think that would be okay.

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