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Genetic Modification.
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April 9, 2012
10:23 am
Ignacious
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So, I was talking to my fiance about this in the last few days, and pondered on it for quite a long while.

If humanity was to find a way to coax your DNA into forming a different set from the ones that currently exist. 

The DNA would still be your own, there would be no additives, no chemicals, no radiation, no bacteria or virus. Just you, and your natural body.

Would you change your DNA?

From blue to green eyes. Blonde to red hair. Albino to naturally tanned. Whiskers instead of facial hair.

Would you do it?

April 9, 2012
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Assuming the procedure was safe and tested, then absolutely without question I would.  Add to that any sort of cybernetic technology that was, again, safe and tested.  It would be a dream come true to be able to mold and modify myself to such a profound degree.  In the case of both, however, I would want enhancements rather than simply aesthetic changes.  If, for example, I could gain the eyes of a cat to be able to see at night.

April 9, 2012
3:03 pm
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I would have to say no. Simply becuase I believe in modifying that which exists already adding to a previous form if you will. That for me would creating a something all together different, however I would support it if it was safe.

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April 9, 2012
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At first when reading this I thought 'Heck yeah I would!!', but after pondering it for a bit, I don't really think I could force myself to go through with it.  Changing how I look isn't something I take lightly, and the parts of me that exist aren't just physical attributes to me, they are parts of my family.  I have my dad's eyes, hair just like my grandmother, fair skin like my biological mom, and the list goes on and on.  I am a bit sentimental, and I like being able to see them in me.  I wouldn't want to loose my 'foundation'.  My body is the home of my spirit.  Decorating my 'home' is great and makes me happy and feel fulfilled and closer to my spirit, but if I lost my 'foundation', I don't think my spirit would be the same.

I really hope that made sense LOL! Smile

April 10, 2012
4:13 am
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I'm a firm believer in ancestry. I feel that we owe a great deal to our ancestors, our cultures, and even our very race because these all define who and what we are today. I wouldn't do such a thing and I feel I don't believe I'd support it either except in cases of genetic disease and problems arising from such.

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April 10, 2012
11:26 am
indi
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we have spoke of this a lot so you know my opinion, but for the answer of the topic and discussion with others….

i'm not saying anyone has a wrong opinion. opinions can't be wrong…they're opinions, but they gave me ideas about why i would want to change some things about myself…..

first off i have so many physical issues and i would LOVE to change them. not that i am unhappy with the way i look or something, but my bones are fucked up. i have pocs. i have pre diabetes because of the pocs drops my insulin levels. i would want to change that. i was 140 pounds 2 years ago which was tiny for my structure and now…because of pocs i've gained weight and can't lose it til i get on this stupid pill.

second. only iggy knows about my past with my family…i don't really look like them…thankfully, but if i did…i would def change it, to be reminded of something iggy saved me from and literally started a new life to escape…i would feel diseased if i had the same appearance, but i do agree partly. you can tell how much Indian i have in me just by my structure. i believe that is strong and beautiful, but you don't have to change the things you want to keep……….

and as for the people saying that they could add things to their body…decorate it, but not change it….that's what it's about…do you dye your hair? you'd rather put harsh ass chemicals on your head then have it altered in your own dna where it is safe and healthy?…..it is decorating your home, but being able to do it more healthy and safely…..

i mean, you're willing to get metal shoved in your face or your body, but you aren't willing to be able to choose how your hair looks, but instead go to a salon and have someone do it? i mean…it's a bit contradictory.

i believe it is great because i wouldn't have to have someone else do my modification…they would have to manipulate my dna, but it would be MY dna…..people who need stronger bones, better lungs, better hearts…..and a lot of people would say now you're just messing with the natural process of yourself….i say wtf are pills doing?

healthy, natural, and safe.

getting ink and metal in your skin isn't natural so for people who do that to say they wouldn't cause this isn't a natural thing is kinda too busy trying to sound like something to me…

i'm not trying to sound offensive. i'm just very opinionated. i don't intend to offend anyone. sincerely sorry if i have.

April 10, 2012
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I admit that part of the reason why I would be so comfortable changing myself radically, including genetic or cybernetic modification, is because I have very little attachment to my humanity and this is part of my spiritual backstory.  If anyone is curious, look up the concept of otherkin.  My current modification journey involves fairly radical self transformation in order to look less human and more demonic all ready so, perhaps, the mental leap isn't so prominently there.  To be something other than human physically would be an absolute dream come true. 

April 11, 2012
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Vampyre, if you don't mind could you tell me your species of other kin? If you're not okay sharing it publicly, feel free to I.M. me. If you're not okay with sharing it at all, that's perfectly fine as well.

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April 11, 2012
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I don't mind at all.  Demon is the closest term I have been able to come up with to define my type of kin, though that isn't precisely accurate.  There are a lot of misconceptions out there about demons, much of it stemming from Judea-Christian philosophy and much of it is false.  Demons, as I have come to understand them, are not evil and are not in anyway antithesis to good. 

April 12, 2012
3:28 am
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Goetic?

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April 12, 2012
12:37 pm
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Not really.  As I said, demon is simply the closest word in description I can think to use though it may not be strictly 100% accurate.  The thing about otherkin and souls coming from other places is that the other part of it might not always be something we're familiar with on the world as we know it today.  Thus, I use the term demon as something of a convenience.  It more or less gets across what I am as a kin although I don't think demon is what I would have necessarily called myself then.  I don't have any better words to describe what I was, however, and demon is relatively close anyway.

April 14, 2012
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I don't believe I explained my point well.

It wasn't just aesthetic changes I was getting at. Also enhancements as vamp wanted.

Night vision, color blind people to see color. 

Your hair being in direct correlation with your emotions, changing shades of colors as your feelings change in a day.  

Change the make up of your finger nails to be as tough as claws. 

Enhance your scent to that of a blood hounds. 

Enhance your hearing to that of an elf's. (I can't think of an animal with extreme hearing)

Like what indi wanted, to better the heath problems you might have. 

Don't get a NEW heart or lungs. Don't get pain medicine for your horrible joints and bones. Change the genetics of yourself to FIX them to that of a healthy every-day person.

 

Maybe grow yourself a tail to gain better balance.

 

Anyways. I liked everyone's opinions. Chyvonna, jimmyenglish and James, I understand and respect your choices. Its your body, you do or not do, as you see fit.

 

For me, we are souls who own body's. Not body's who own souls. This body of mine is for my amusement, my fun, my needs, my wants. Its for me to use as I see fit, to do the things I wish to do. If given the opportunity to change my genetic make up, I would do so with a big ass smile.

=Night Vision(along with fixing my vision) =hard as claw nails  =dog whiskers  =enhanced hearing =to be like a lizard, able to regrow smaller non-essential body parts. 

I know theres more but I can't think of any as of right now.

April 14, 2012
11:54 am
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Thank Buddha lol another otherkin! ive been searching everywhere for more. I completely understand what your saying Vampyremage. I would agree with you too that if i could change this body to be more like what i feel my soul is, i could be more complete with the "human" condition XD

April 14, 2012
4:27 pm
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There is only so far you can go with traditional body modification when it comes to creating a form that is not quite human, though I will go as far as I am able with it.  The changes I can make bring me a great deal of peace with myself and with the world around me.  Of course I would go farther if I could, but I believe in a balance between my human and kin self and strive always to maintain that balance.  My soul is demon and I have something of that in me always, but I am also human and I strive to have those two sides of myself exist in harmony with one another.  I cannot eliminate my humanness and, in truth, I don't think I would want to.  What I can do, however, is bring my demonness to teh the surface so that it visibly coexists with my human self and I am balance physically as well as spiritually.

 

If I may ask, what sort of kin are you Parasiva?

April 14, 2012
4:39 pm
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Of course, ive believed myself to be a Satyr of sorts for quite some time now. But i dont imagine we are all short, squat creatures. Although alot of the character traits carry over lifetimes or however it works, like love of nature, promiscuity(atleast in our minds lol), passionate freedom, etc. But id love to see the future be able to genetically make large horns, i just dont think what we have now is exactly what im looking for, im talkin like horns that bend to the back of the head like a ram or maybe like shaped bull horns

April 14, 2012
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Such horns would be amazing, if possible!  They aren't quite the style of horns that I think I would go for if I had unlimited choices of horns to choose from, but they would be amazing nevertheless.

April 14, 2012
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thanks, i figured out my perfect ones, and if i could id move earth and heaven to get em, but imagine the ones from Hellboy if uve seen it and just make them skinny like gazelle horns, ugh be still my heart XD, Stag horns would be cool as hell too

April 19, 2012
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Genetic modification can be a slippery slope.  Yes I think I would do it to "fix" things that are broken with me, like my cysts.  However at what point do we stop.  

We need to remember that we are supposed to die.  If we don't die, we don't make room for our progeny.  There is a natural order to things and if we get too advanced with things like genetic modification we throw that out of balance.

If you have a bad heart and go in for some genetic modification to "correct" that then you may live when you were supposed to die.  I know that statement is in direct opposition to me saying I would take advantage of such an advancement in medicine but what can I say.  Sometimes I can be a hypocrite.

Sorry if this is disjointed and hard to follow but I think you get the gist of what I'm trying to say.

April 19, 2012
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karateskunk, i have heart murmur, RSV, pocs, and recently the doctor told me i am in pre diabetes stage AND might get rumitory arthritis within the next few years. i was 145 pounds 1 year and a half ago…what did i do to get into this state…NOTHING. i love to walk, love to swim, love to run. love to do yoga, but all these things are very hard for me because of my genetics and because of the issues i was born with. why in the hell do i want to stay this way before i die? just to be miserable on most of these things that are not my fault in any way. i eat an all natural diet. no preservatives. no artificial crap. and yet nothing changes. i don't want to change when i will die, but i want to be healthy while living. these limitations that my body holds are restrictions and i can not be free. death is inevitable, if you're meant to die, you will. nothing can change that.

i can understand if i went to mcdonalds on a daily or weekly basis and get a big mac, large coke, and fries, but i don't. if i eat out, it's at subway or pizza and that's rarely. not even once every few months. i eat all of my food groups. no fatty foods unless it's natural fat.

but for the ones who have to suffer everyday when it isn't their fault, i think it is a perfect thing for them. to have the option to help their self when nothing else can help them. if it makes the human happy that should be the only matter in the world. and i am in no way happy with my restrictions. i want to run with my dog. i want to hike with my fiance, ignacious. i want to swim like i used to when i was younger. i used to be in track, volleyball, and gymnastics, i can still do all pretty well, but it feels like each part kills my body more and more and end up crying in pain most of the time later when no one is around.

 

not picking on you or trying to change your mind, just showing you the side of it from a person who does have a lot of health problems, who is young, not about to die, and wants to enjoy the activities of life.

April 19, 2012
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This really is a fascinating topic lol, but genetic modification to prolong someones lifespan is kinda just a more direct version of what all these medicines are doing. I mean we used to die at age 30 and now eveyone lives to be 80 some people even pass 100, i mean if we prolong life long enough, people could live 300 years, or longer..which is amazing, cause then u could get a sea turtle and live with it all its life XD

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