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July 30, 2011
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amber visions
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I have a 10g septum.. my ring is currently 1/2' diameter i love the captive ring but i feel like its too long.. i havent had much luck finding a smaller diameter anyone out there have suggestions? thanks

August 1, 2011
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Miine has small braided ropes around either side of the scroll and a small bit of shined silver on the very edge  it is very similar but not the same because that ring is all spaced out and big I have looked on so many sites searching silver band scroll ring antiqued but this is the closest I have gotten.

_____Cool

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August 3, 2011
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I have never used a captive ring in my septum before.  I currently use a circular barbell in mine when I am not at work.  I'm a military member and they have a tendency to frown upon things like that.  But luckily I have a black retainer that I keep in while in uniform so that no one can see it.  When I initially got my septum pierced it was done with a 14g, but I can fit a 12g in there now.  I was wondering how you gauged yours down or did you have it pierced in a 10g.  I want to be able to fit a 2g or 0g in there at some point, but want to make sure that I gauge it down the right way without damaging myself.  I will take a look and see if I can find any sites with smaller diameter rings for you.  Any information that you have would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Lobo

August 3, 2011
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My septum is at an 8 gauge and I usually use septum pinchers.  They seem to be easier to find at a smaller diameter and I am just a big fan of pinchers in general.

August 6, 2011
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amber visions – Body Art Forms go down to 3/8" and Wildcat 10mm.

vampyremage – I agree pinchers are a good option, and Gorilla Glass do lovely ones.

LoBo – Stretching a septum is similar to lobes, but tends to take longer and be a bit tougher. You can tape in the same way, although i found itfiddly and it rubbed  so i tapered with a good break each time, in 1mm or less increments. I've been at 10mm for a few years now, amd wear a tunnel usually. Most people are unaware i have it unless i mention it or they're very short and standing close!

Just for reference 'gauging' means measuring not stretching.  I know it often gets used this way, but i tends to be those with little education in body modification or a poor attitude to stretching that use it. You'd also stretch 'up' rather than 'down' if the jewellery is bigger, even though the gauge number is smaller! /pedant……

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Nietzsche
August 15, 2011
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Oakbear: Sorry about that.  Didnt want to seems like a complete idiot, but I'm kind of a Noob when it comes to stretching.  Ive had my ears pierced for a while but only with a 12g.  I have finally gotten a 2g in there.  Unfortuantely I have to stop there b/c of me being military.  They dont really like things like that too much.  But since I walk the line anyway its all good.  My septum was pierced at a 14g and i can get a 12g in there now.  Id like to be able to get an 8g if possible before taking a long break. So you recommend using a taper to stretch the septum?  Thanks for that.  My septum was a big spiritual piercing for me and is my favorite one.  Any other info you have would be greatly appreciated.  thanks.

 

Lobo

August 16, 2011
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No need to apologise, i know i was being picky!

I'm sure some would disagree but here's my views on septum stretching….

Septums are not like lobes. It'll hurt, and that's fine. The irritation from tape will swell the tissue and make it impossible to stretch cleanly. So, wait for a size to heal and feel completely settled and comfortable (no discomfort if tugged pushed or wiggled about). Wait a month or 2 more. Then lube up well, and get a taper or suitable jewellery and stretch.

Yeah it hurts and you'll cry, but suck it up. It might pop right in, but may take an hour or so in some cases. If it feels like it's tearing or forcing the the fistula out then stop. Wait until it's settled in a few weeks/months and try again.

Make the jumps in jewellery gauge as small as possible, never more than 1mm, preferably less. You might need custom jewellery for this, although some plugs often vary slightly, so bear this in mind.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Nietzsche
August 16, 2011
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If you're going to be wanting to expand your septum alot, I recommend just punching it to a bigger size.  Every time you stretch it builds scar tissue which makes it harder to stretch in the future, and punching it was actually more 'comfortable' than piercing it initially.  I had mine pierced at a 10, stretched eventually to a 6, but then opted to have it punched at 2 and tapered to a a 0 because of the size of my available tissue beneath the cartilage.  Also, the good thing about stretching it when it's at a larger gauge (like 2 to 0) is that it stretched it downward more than upward (because the hole is closer to the cartilage so there's more resistance in that direction) which actually didn't hurt that much, and makes a tiny 'bump' of the jewelry pushing the bottom of your septum down.  But, when I was stretching it at smaller sizes, like a 10 to 8, it stretched more in the direction of the cartilage which is more painful.

 

Punching will get you there faster and more saftely/painlessly (if you have a good piercer), but I understand wanting to stretch because it can be a slow and spiritual process.  Though with all if the issues of slowly stretching like I said, I just opted to go ahead and punch it.  Def, if you do get to a large size, wearing tunnels looks BADASS if you can barely see through the bottom of your septum.  Also, if you stretch, try not to use the bullet tapers that everyone sells, get something long like 2 inches with a very gradual slope and your septum will def appreciate it.

August 18, 2011
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OakBear: I have a 12g in my septum now.  I can push and pull on it as well as move it around it it doesnt hurt one bit. So since i have the 12g in, you would recommend going to a 10g correct.  I know you said to "lube up" well before trying to stretch it.  Any recommendations on what to use?

Apothos:  you are correct in wanting to stretch it for the spiritual aspect.  That is the whole reason i asked about it.  Plus with me being military, getting it punched would be hard.  b/c i would need something in there while it heals and if my bosses see it, i get in big trouble for it.  this way if i stretch it out gradually i get the euphoric experience as well as keeping it somewhat hidden.

I realley appreciate all of the inputs.  This is awesome.  Finally i have like minded and knowledgeable individuals that I can swap stories with.  thanks again.

 

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August 18, 2011
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Depending on how it's punched it shouldn't be too noticable. At big sizes rings etc can be awkward, so a tunnel is usual wear and fine for healing. Something to consider anyway.

I do appreciate both the practicality of getting caught and the merits to a long stretching project. When i had mine done i knew i wanted to stretch, but punching was very uncommon and i'd never heard of it for a septum. Had i chosen i might have gone for the punch, but i'm glad i didn't. I got a lot from the rigours of stretching, which really isn't easy and requires determination and patience.

Reading apathos' post i had to google 'bullet tapers'. They don't seem common over here (but hey i'm getting old so not sure what the kids are up to!), but they definately don't seem suitable for stretching. A decent long surgical steel taper is what you need, not those terrible acryllic jobs. I bought a set of 12 decent tapers, and they've more than earned their cost.

 

How long have you been at 12g? I reckon bare minimum stretching intervals should be a couple of months, and only if everything went totally smoothly. It's worth taking the time to let the tissue adjust and heal. As apathos points out, you don't want to build scar tissue.

As for lube, some use a water based product such as KY jelly (you can buy sterile sachets). I find it gets a bit sticky after time, so prefer to use jojoba or neem oil myself. I know it isn't sterile, but haven't had any issues.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Nietzsche
August 25, 2011
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I should look into getting a set of steel tapers then.  That sonds like the best idea.  Ive been at a 12g for about a year now.  I had my septum done in 14g and over time was just able to put a 12g in.  I went out and got a 10g acrylic taper yesterday. it goes in just fine.  a little tight and painful but i like that.  i put it in, sat and meditated for a bit. felt great.  Where did you order your steel st from?

August 25, 2011
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Glad the stretch went ok.Smile

Acrylic really isn't ideal though, as it can't be autoclaved or adequately sterilised, is not very smooth (tends to stick and may introduce contamination into the fistula), and breaks down over time and releases various chemicals.

I think my set was an end of line sale somewhere as i recall, so not available any more.

Industrial Strength tapers are very nice but expensive for one or 2 uses.

Body Art Forms do a cheap set which looks ok, but i've not seen them up close.

http://www.bodyartforms.com/pr…..38;index=3

You won't want full gauge jumps at bigger sizes ideally though, the jumps should be as small as possible. You'll need another method as well really, although tapers are convenient. I made custom ptfe jewellery in 'inbetween' sizes, and used that to stretch when i didn't have a taper.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Nietzsche
August 30, 2011
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So Ive been using the taper and it goes in okay but ive notice it kinda hurts a bit even after ive taken it out.  Im guessing its b/c of it stretching.  I clean it regualrly with H2Ocean.  Any ideas.  I will take a look at the link you posted.  Thanks again for the help.

August 31, 2011
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I'm a bit confused about your post and how you are stretching.

Have you stretched again? If so that seems far too soon tbh. If that's the case that may explain the increase in discomfort. After a certain size there will be a 'bruised' feeling for a couple of days or so, as the jewellery presses on cartilidge, and it takes a while for it to adjust. Septums aren't like a lobe stretch, being a bit sore for a few days is fine.

Or are you stretching with the taper and then removing it and putting the old jewellery back? If so, all that will do is cause uneccesary trauma. You taper to the next size jewellery, and leave the larger jewellery in. If the taper won't go right through you're not ready to stretch.

 

Last one is H2O Ocean is OK, but very pricey for a product which is less effective than saline. Some people find it convenient, but you can buy saline in bottles much more cheaply, or just make your own sea salt soak. A nice warm sea salt soak is a millions times better than an spray of H2O Ocean.Cool

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