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Piecing it together
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February 14, 2012
12:13 pm
Grinch
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I am a very new member to the church and am having some hard times putting all my thoughts in order. First off, I know my modifications and my manipulations are my way of pushing myself physically to strengthen myself mentally. I use them as a form of meditation and as a way to broaden my mind. I am however a devout Atheist. I do not believe in a higher power, I do however believe in universal energies and the laws of karma. I am having trouble figuring out how all this goes together for me personally. I have the pieces to the puzzle I just can't quite figure out how they all fit together. Just because I am not a believer of a higher power or an after life, do those factors alone make me a non-spiritual person?

February 14, 2012
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First off, I would like to say welcome!! :)

Secondly, I am sorry that you're having such a hard time finding your personal meaning of spirituality.  I think that for many people spirituality is personal and not always easily defined.  For me it is a continually changing path.  I no longer have a theist view of spirituality, but I have come to find greater spiritual strength through may things that I once did not.  Because spirituality is such a personal and individual thing, I would not say that you aren't a spiritual person just because you're an Atheist.  I consider myself to be very spiritual, but not in a conventional way at all.  I think that you would know better than anyone else what it is that you feel and connect with on that level.  After all, spirituality is so much greater than something that you can be told you posses.  All one can really do is feel it to know it exists.

February 15, 2012
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I believe everyone is a spiritual person, as it is an integral human aspect. What people chose to do with that and how to find meaning, or get by day to day, is up to them.

I suppose it also depends on how you define an atheist really.

If you accept there may be universal laws which science doesn't understand, may be linked to morality, or there is some meaning to life, does that make you an atheist? I'm not sure tbh.

I suppose it simply depends on how you define yourself. Nobody else should tell you what you can and can't believe imho. The boxes we sometimes try and fit into are less important than how we get there, and our onward journey through life.

Have fun figuring it out, there's no bigger puzzle!Cool

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Nietzsche
February 16, 2012
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I appreciate the time you both took to reply, thank you very much. You have made me feel like I truly belong Smile 

February 16, 2012
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You're very welcome, Grinch :)

March 20, 2012
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welcome.

i beilieve the word spiritual is taken too literal in the means of attaching it to religion.

i beilieve that everyone is spiritual in a way. lets look outside of religion and modification for a moment…

i'm spiritual about nature…there is nothing to me like the feel of grass between my toes, the smell of flowers, and a warm breeze with a chill at the end. to me, that brings me to a place that isn't easily obtained in other ways. animals make me happy. they make me feel calm and closer to the world than anything. they bring a spiritual feeling for me. 

i don't believe that you have to have some god or religion to be spiritual; i think you just have to be spiritual about what you feel towards certain things.

 

hope this helps.

March 21, 2012
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Chris Carter
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Grinch said
I am having trouble figuring out how all this goes together for me personally. I have the pieces to the puzzle I just can't quite figure out how they all fit together.

I think of it as a mosaic being put together piece-by-piece. As time goes on, and I experience more and learn more, more of the pieces are added to the mosaic. When I first started, I had no idea what the "image" of the mosaic would be. Now that I'm further along my path, the mosaic has become much more clear, though I still don't have it complete. I still can't even say for sure what the final image will look like. For me, that's the point though. To continue experiencing, learning, and adding to that mosaic. I hope that makes sense.

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March 21, 2012
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I don't believe that one necessarily needs to believe in a higher power in order to be spiritual.  While I have some belief in something that might be considered a higher power (sort of its complicated), I know my personal body modification journey has very little to do with that.  One can be spiritual on many different levels as it is something that is highly individual and likely to vary from person to person. 

 

When I first got into body modification I hadn't even consciously realized that it did have a spiritual component to me.  It was only after I began pursuing it that such became clear and it was some time after that before I realized exactly what that meant and how deep that went.  The journey has been an interesting one, though.

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