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September 18, 2012
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parasiva007
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okay so ive been obsessing with diet and the like for about a year solid almost literally consuming books. Ive come across ascetics who starve or deprive themselves of food, and a man who only eats bananas and milk, i think, for 25 years and he can lay in fire.

so my question to everyone is:

Do you think diet has anything to do with spirituality?

and

What, if any, changes to diet have you done yourself? (fasting, only 1 type of food, etc)

 

Personally i find that when i ate meat in the past i was more spiritually "heavy". Since then my meditation is more effortless. And perhaps my mods will be more deep.

 

Also a few more examples: ive heard stories about the Buddha eating only as much rice as he could fit on a blade of grass, and people eating a diet made up of only raw garlic. etc. just curious. i mean i know most buddhist and hindus and seventh day adventists are vegetarians.

September 20, 2012
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I was a case of being vegetarian nearly killing me. I was forced into only the purest of meats (no soy/corn/wheat/leavening added), tropical fruits, hemp and nuts. It was then I had a huge power boost and as long as I stay on it I am clear headed and stronger. My spiritual life got markedly stronger as well: how much pressure I create when visiting people, my ability to affect others, spell work without having to fully cast, etc. If I deviate and eat something that contains veggies, grains, legumes, chlorine, fluoride, bromine or leavening I get so sick I'm bed ridden for up to months at a time. I've also noticed since I've had to cut out soy that a lot of the side effects of soy have started to reverse (yes there are bad side effects and it's on the fda's list for 'toxic plants', boy do I have a long rant on this). No this is not simply gluten allergy, can't have any grains glutenous or not.

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September 20, 2012
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see now thats fascinating!

September 25, 2012
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I was vegetarian for a while, and that made me feel better. So, I went vegan too. That's when I found energy again!

Also, getting sober has a good effect too.

October 17, 2012
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I was omni, the became lact-ovo, and in recent years have been vegan.

I progressed from the second to the third after finding how much better I felt after moving from the first to the second. Physically I felt much more energetic and healthier. Avoiding on-consensual pain or harm towards others as much as I can is a very large part of my spiritual beliefs. It is an extension of my "right thoughts, right actions" struggle.

In addition to causing less harm, the regulation of actions and denial of desires is part of my path. I have to be conscious of everything I eat, drink, and buy. I have to make an effort to know what is in everything and make constant daily efforts and judgement calls on countless things to be as vegan as possible (I do not feel anyone can be completely so, unless they cut all contact with the modern world). It is an act of denial and minor ordeal as I have to go out of my way for some things and at times I desire non-vegan items and have to design work-around or just plain accept going without… Clothing, toiletries, foods… Whatever.

It,s about not harming others where I can help it and in daily self-regulation.

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October 19, 2012
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Do you not see plants as living beings? Eating those would be in violation of not harming others…

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October 19, 2012
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yes, plants are living things, but until they can cry out in pain or express pain in any particular fashion, i think its safe to assume that what they feel isnt truely pain. Plants cant cry, or move away from pain, or express any form of not wanting to be injured. This is a classic question, that most vegetarians, and vegans get all the time. Simply put, yes, it is hurting a life, but not one that isnt supposed to be hurt, for example if we took it to that exreme we wouldnt walk on grass, or we would follow the way of a Sikh priest, wearing a mask to avoid killing bacteria, or a grass skirt to avoid killling bugs by accidentally stepping on them.

October 19, 2012
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KashakuTatsu said

Do you not see plants as living beings? Eating those would be in violation of not harming others…

I do see them as living being and I do have concern that they may be able to feel pain or death. As I said in my post, I am striving to make the least harm I can. We *know* that animals feel pain, most have obvious emotions and it's been found that includes a fear of violence and death directed at themselves or members of their pack/herd/family.. I can avoid causing those things as best as I possibly can. If I could find a way to avoid risking that for plants as well, I would. As it is, I have considered continuing my dietary practices towards avoiding eating plants where the entire plant is killed rather than fruits/seeds are harvested. Becoming fruititarian is something I have considered, but am still researching and weighing my beliefs and concerns on.

But for now, I've only progressed as far as reducing the suffering I cause on animals.

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October 20, 2012
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"I would. As it is, I have considered continuing my dietary practices towards avoiding eating plants where the entire plant is killed rather than fruits/seeds are harvested. Becoming fruititarian is something I have considered, but am still researching and weighing my beliefs and concerns on."

 

This makes a bit more sense to me. Personally I'm in a carnivore camp for many reasons including my body just won't do veg/grains/legumes. I also have incidents where I need to kill animals for other reasons I won't get into atm.

 

And there are plants that'll move away from stimulus (touch, heat, cold, light/dark, etc.). I have grown and killed by overplaying with before. lol

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October 21, 2012
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Lol, I am someone who can not raise plants at ALL.

I at first tried, but after a while the husband and I just felt it was kinder to give it up. I kill any plant I try to keep alive. Total "black thumb".

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October 21, 2012
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We could argue that in order to create and maintain life energy must be displaced and we (silly humans) give it the name "harm."  Is anyone familiar with Lakshmi? Most people have at least heard of Shiva and Kali.  I don't understand taking diet to such an extreme as trying NOT to harm ANYTHING!!  Seems unrealistic to me.

    Furthermore, I don't think I am in any position to judge the emotional feelings of the food chain.  Maybe some plants and animals WANT to be our food.  I personally have willingly sacrificed for the benefit of others….. and I liked it!  I wanted to give, and they wanted to take, and I have done this in both directions. (giving and taking)  Sometimes our being gives other things, including animals and plants, a reason to live which in turn is a reason to die.

    I know yall'…. far out!!Kiss

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October 22, 2012
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I do find it worth noting that I never took issue with anyone else's dietary choices or reasons for them, nor is anyone else's being discussed or challenged. And frankly, the tone has been getting rather disrespectful. Discussion is lovely, ridicule is not.

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October 22, 2012
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I have experimented with my diet a lot. I grew up omi, then went vegetarian, back to omni, back to ovo-lacto, back to omni, to vegetarian, to vegan, back to omni. I don't much do it for spiritual reasons, mostly just for personal challenges. Of course, overcoming those obstacles and restricting things in life can lead to spiritual growth, which I believe.

October 22, 2012
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I apologize if I was offensive to anyone about this topic.  I respect your path even if I don't understand it.  I do all sorts of freaky diet stuff including growing and drinking kombucha daily.  I totally did not mean to come off as bitchy.

The "far out" comment was a jab at myself because I feel like I add to these topics in a certain way and part of that is banter which can come off as an argument.  I am a playful lady!!

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October 22, 2012
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Gotcha and thanks for clarifying nicely.

Kombucha grower, eh? I used to Love mango kombucha!

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October 30, 2012
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what is Kombucha? srry im just really curious. Always looking for things for the garden XD

October 30, 2012
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It's a fermented beverage made from a symbiotic colony of bacteria and yeast.  It is considered a health tonic and it has a low pH.  The benefits are widely disputed although it has been used for good health for hundreds of years.  As you may know, certain strands of bacteria in yogurt are super healthy for you and kombucha has those along with the ability to lower your pH or potential hydrogen.  We get sick if our pH is high.  I feel sure you can find info with a search and if you have any questions I will be glad to answer the best I can.  Also, I am willing to try to send a mother or SCOBY in the mail if you can't find a free one through your local Coop or craigslist.

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October 30, 2012
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I find that maintaining a healthy diet/weight is important to my inner peace, and when I don't eat right or gain too much weight (like right now I'm 260 when I really ought to be about 220-230) it has an effect on my mood, though not a drastic or unavoidable effect.  Generally it makes me feel less motivated, or indeed lethargic, and I don't believe that's a good way to live.

I think the important thing is to find a diet that works well for your body.

As for the vegetarian/vegan thing, I totally understand if that's what you want to do for whatever the reason you want to do it, but for me, I don't really feel guilt in eating meat, except that I wish animals were treated better while alive and killed in a more humane way.

Rumpus, I've got a bit of info for you that might make you feel a bit less guilty about eating plants.  They eat us too.  When we die and decompose our remains become part of the soil from which they draw their nutrients.  While they're not actively killing us for food, they do subsist on our remains, just as I subsist on the remains of plants and animals I haven't killed.

Going fruitarian seems cool at first because you're not killing the plant that produced it, but ask yourself, "What is fruit?"  It's a package of nutrients and seeds.  If you pick an apple from a tree and walk to a clearing nearby, dig a hole, and put the apple in the ground, a new apple tree will grow there.

I don't mean to be harsh or mean about it, but to put it bluntly, a piece of fruit is the embryo of a new plant, so every harvested fruit is an aborted plant.

As a Buddhist, I do my best to "act without acting" as the Buddhist saying goes.  What this means is to live without disrupting the natural order of things.  For example, being carbon neutral is a way of acting without acting.  Non-polluting industry is another.

Everything that has a life has a death.  This is the unavoidable truth of nature.  If we released all the chickens, cattle, pigs, and turkeys into the wild they would live out their days in the woods until some predator came along to disembowel and eat them alive (arguably no better or worse than the way most animals are slaughtered in food production facilities).  And in the mean time they would live in constant fear of those predators.  There is no such thing as a wild animal that dies of natural causes.  When they get old enough or weak enough or sick enough, something else comes along to eat them.

This being the case, I think the best way to do as little harm as possible is to provide a happy, abuse-free, predator-free environment for livestock while we raise them.  The free-range chicken is one example.  Another example is a dairy (and I've seen this in a documentary, so I know there's at least one dairy doing this) which allows it's milk cows to wander and graze freely.  These cows choose when to be milked and are not kept on any kind of production schedule.  Their health is closely monitored and they are cared for as much as possible.

The dairy goes to this effort because the cows produce healthier milk in much greater quantities when they are not stressed, so this arrangement is mutually beneficial.

As I said, I have no quarrel with eating meat.  It's the way the animals are treated that bothers me.  I have no quarrel with eating only vegetation if that's your choice for ethical or health reasons.  Life is suffering.  There is no way to avoid suffering and death, but there is such a thing as reducing suffering.  There is such a thing as a merciful death.

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November 2, 2012
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ive been a vegetarian my whole life never wanted to eat meat and never will i believe its my personal choice and i never get preachy about it unless im joking with friends .sasquatch im totally gonna use your line about plants eating us after we die Smile 

November 21, 2012
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i couldnt agree more :) that which live must die and then in death, new life forms…think i wanna be stuffed with cherries when i die so a cherry tree will grow on my body XD

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