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dermal punch in cartilage vs.. piercing and stretching
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June 17, 2011
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amber visions
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so im considering getting a piercing in the cartilage in the ear and either stretching it to a bigger gauge or just getting it dermal punched to a bigger size… what would be the pros and cons for both… im thinking about getting to a 0 g in the piercing.. Im on the fence about what route i want to take to get the piercing that i want. so any input may help me decide thank you!

June 17, 2011
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Stretching to 0g from a 14-8g piercing, is going to take a very very long time and involve a lot of discomfort (more or less depending on where on the ear).

If you fancy the challenge then go for it, but don't expect it to be easy. You are also likely to get more distortion of tissue around the piercing due to cartilidge not being able to be displaced or compressed readily.

I have stretched my tragus from a 4mm punch to 9mm over time, but it was tough, and I have also stretched an outer flat from 8-10mm punch and taper to 12mm, again very slowly (5 years) and not easily. But when I have tried to stretch my 12g rook, I've failed miserably!

Punching will achieve the result far far quicker, and likely with a better aesthetic finish.

Downsides to punching are that it may be more painful, and has a tendancy to bleed a fair bit at the time, and on and off for a little while. Punch and taper may help with some of that, but runs the risk of complications and additional swelling. Some punch and don't insert jewellery, but for most that seems to close up quickly.

Hope that helps!

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June 21, 2011
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yeah im thinking im just going to go with a punch instead of stretching.. i talked to my piercer and she told me about some real horror stories with stretching. 

 

what experience, pain, etc did you have with punching?

June 21, 2011
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My first punch was my outer conch. It was the piercer's first, under guidance of another with more experience.

It was the most painful mod to date, huge pressure and crunchy. Afterwards it felt like i'd been hit with a bat on the side of my head. It bled for a few days, then bled and wouldn't stop. After downsizing it healed like cartilidge but a bit quicker.

Next was my tragus, which hurt a fair bit (more than any piercing imho), but nothing like the first. Sore but healed fast.

 

Pain is of course subjective though, temporary, and mostly in the mind!

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June 21, 2011
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yeah im thinking just my outter cartilage for a punch.. i want to wear stone jewlery in it once its healed… whats the healing process like?

June 22, 2011
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I have my right conch punched at a 4 gauge.  Its been quite a few
years so my memory of the experience might be just a little fuzzy, but I
don't recall it being particularly painful.  More painful than a
standard piercinger perhaps, but not by too much.  It took a very long
time to fully heal, however.  It was many months before I could wear
headphones on it comfortably again. 

 

Since that time
I've also gotten my nostrils dermal punched at 2 gauge, something I
found significantly more painful.  I might even go so far as to say my
nostril dermal punches have been my most painful mod to date, with the
possible exception of getting my feet tattooed.  Healing those, however, was relatively straight forward and simple.

June 22, 2011
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I agree it takes a while to heal, and is tender for a good while.

I think for me it was maybe a year, compared to maybe 18 months for a standard piercing there.

It's worth mentioning that although it was quicker, it was more tender due to increased area. You learn to sleep on the other side!

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June 22, 2011
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thanks guys for all the advice! i think i am going to go through with it as soon as im done performing in this show for the summer. i already learned to sleep on one side as opposed to the other because of my tragus i got a few month back.. and im a side sleeper anyways. lol.. so im not tooo concerned about that..

 

sorry for all the questions but i was reading online about the healing process and somewhere said to take the jewelry out a couple days afterwards so it heals faster? i know ill have to meet with my piercer about everything but i just wanted to ask if this is a route any of you took? or is it pure b.s.? lol thank you so much again!

June 23, 2011
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ok kind of bummed right now… just found out that in the state of nevada dermal punch piercings are illegal.. so its going to take me some time before ill be able to get one… 

 

out of everything thats actually legal here… they made it illegal to do punches… so not happy right now.

June 23, 2011
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The take it out method works for some (and makes for a very quick healing time), but i think that's a minority. In most the hole closes really quickly.

Simply taking out a just healed tunnel to clean for a few seconds can be very awkward to get back in ime. I've heard about people losing a punch at the size they wanted this way.

 

As for legal…Well it sounds like your piercer has some ideas, so talk to them. There's always travel too….

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June 23, 2011
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yeah being a stay at home mom, my funds are limited.. maybe if we go to cali sometime soon ill be able to do it.. anyone know of the legality in california?

June 23, 2011
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As far as I know it's illegial all over america to use punches because they're considered scalpels and you need to be a medical practicioner to use them.  Part of the legislation trying to ban microdermals is by calling them implants and saying they're done with scalpels, which is why alot of ppl do them with needles and calling them single point piercings so they're legal as well as placed differently.

However the legality, punching seems the best way of getting a big cartilage hole.  I had my septum punched at 2 and stretched to 0, which actually was less intense than piercing it at 10.

June 24, 2011
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i dont understand how i see people with punches and yet theyre illegal or is this new legislation? im not up to date obviously on all this lol.. 

June 27, 2011
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What is strictly legal and what is enforceable or pursued are often different!

In the uk branding was considered illegal, but is now openly practised and seems accepted.

 

Research shops and ask at good ones….

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August 8, 2011
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I had stretched my ears up to a 8 then ended up not wearing jewelry at work for safety concerns, now you can barely tell they were stretched. Honestly I would not suggest the dermal punch. Stretching is kinda a wisdom process, spiritually and logically.

From everything I have ever come across dermal punches though they heal they are not as strong as stretched ears,

In stretching you build up your ears strength, without this strength blowouts are VERY likely. I was instructed not to stretch more then a gage ever 4-6 weeks, and that's a somewhat breakneck pace as you go up in size. Also its not a bad idea to drop back down sizes, If you do things right stretching is the best way. Other note you can get cats butt from stretching too much. In addition with stretching your ears can return to a normal state, if you ever decide this was a bad idea and go for the punch you may be up the crick.

General point of all the people I know who have had their ears punched and then gaged up suffered blow outs, I just think its a bad call.

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August 16, 2011
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Charm i assume you are talking about lobes, in which case i agree, that's good advice.

However amber visions is talking about cartilidge, which is a very different beast indeed!

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August 17, 2011
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Oakbear said:

Charm i assume you are talking about lobes, in which case i agree, that's good advice.

However amber visions is talking about cartilidge, which is a very different beast indeed!


It was kinda a mixed message my apologies on that, I tend to get way
ADHD at times and start skipping about in thought. The
wisdom/spirituality I think apply to anything you stretch not just
lobes. I
have known many people who have gotten lobes and a few that cartilage
punched and
later had blow outs, I really think its because you are changing the
structure without proper time to adapt in either case. My thoughts on
this come from knowing a lot of stupid people and at times inventive
people. My best friend got her first tattoos with her friend when she
was around 15. At the
time by breaking open pens and making a gun out of a VCR motor.

I was more throwing out that its better to start with a bit smaller even
if it be a smaller sized punch like a 6 and have something to have it
in more.

But that proper healing is key too. I have my upper cartilage pierced in
both ears, I was stupid enough to have it done with a piercing gun, I
know a now a hollow needle would have been so much better, but it is
what it is, and my ears were just mad at me for a year. At the end of
the day we did some really bad for us stuff, especially with what we
have learned since. For instance the piercers course on blood borne
pathogens really changed up a lot for me and knowledge among my friends
too….

The stretching I talked of was my lobes and how they are awesome. I
believe this is in part because of the stretching process, when I did it
I did it more then proper{about 18 months to the 8 gauge}. I know that
dermal punches are practically forever, but having a bit more of a base
to support it still seems sound to me. And I will admit that I am more a
person to take my time in modification and that I like suggesting it to
others. Because I have met too many people that one day realize, I
don't want this anymore. I blame it in part to our societies need for
instant gratification. I at least still believe good things are worth
waiting for, make logic?

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October 10, 2011
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i would never punch my lobes… my ears are stretched to 1 inch, my septum is stretched to a 10g, i loved my stretching process. loved all that ive been through with my mods. i do still want to get my upper ear cartilage punched.. but i dont think id stretch it after that. just have it punched and leave it alone (size wise), im still going to ask my piercer when i go in at the end of this week and figure out what we can do. im getting my third eye dermal for my birthday, and 2nd holes in my lobes.. ive been itching for this for a while.. cant wait.

October 10, 2011
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Keep us posted!

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October 11, 2011
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will do, may have the oppurtunity to go get them done tomorrow.. if i do ill post images!

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