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April 18, 2012
3:50 am
p4sdrums
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So I was scheduled for an interview a week ago at 8 am at Mr. Tint.so I arrive early and I check in with him,he says "we should talk outside" so we went outside …..he proceeded to tell me that I would have to take my piercings out until he seen my inch and 5/8th gauges.He suddenly stopped and said this wont do,you would give Mr.Tint a bad name.
I just wanted to share my story and see what others thought of this.To be honest this behavior should be illegal because I wouldn't be working with much of the customers.

April 18, 2012
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parasiva007
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At this point, most of the people looking for jobs these days have mods. If jobs dont start allowing people to have piercings and tattoos, they arent gonna have anyone left to work for them. I wonder when its hit that point 

April 18, 2012
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I think mod related job discrimination is pretty terrible.  I can understand the argument that, when one is working closely with the public, there is a certain expectation of "professional" appearance, though I don't think I entirely agree with it.  However, there is simply no excuse at all if its a job in which there is little or no direct interaction with the public.  I am fortunate to have an employer who does not discriminate in such a fashion and I know how fortunate I am in that regard.

April 18, 2012
2:03 pm
p4sdrums
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Yeah there's certain jobs that I would understand it not being allowed like politicians or anything of that nature,but then there are regular labor jobs that should all allow it.also I used to be a plater and they allowed it.which I missed

April 18, 2012
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i agree its bs that they can do stuff like that still ive had employers tell me i would scare the costumers away and yet when im on the street all these people that are suposedly gonna be scared wont stop talking to me and asking me questions im lucky enough though to have a job where i can have my mods and still work with the public in fact people come into my store all the time and ask to take my picture and also ive found that most people that are heavily moded work alot harder than the non moded for the fact that we have to prove our selves just to watch people that arent moded and dont do as good of a job get promoted just cause they look the part they should make an affermative action type thing for the heavily moded imho

April 18, 2012
5:23 pm
parasiva007
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im in daytona florida looking for a job right now, any suggestions of places that might be piercing friendly?

April 19, 2012
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I'm running into something similar right now.  I had taken my piercings out because I was working a job where I WAS in a customer facing position and that I understand.  I went to the interview with them out because I went straight from the other job.  I was hired with no problems.  

The second day of training I had them in and continued to wear them with no comments from either my trainer or any of the "superiors" that came into the class or in the smoke shack.

Yesterday I was pulled into the HR office and told I had to take them out.  When I told them they were religious they said I had to bring proof of this.  Via a letter on the churches letterhead signed by a member of the clergy stating that I needed to keep them in while on the job.

This job is doing tech support for one of the countries major computer manufacturers.  I talk to people on the phone all day.  I wear jeans and a t-shirt.  I don't video chat with the customer's.  I don't see them and they don't see me.  My piercings do not affect my ability to perform the functions of my job and I am facing away from co-worker's into my cubicle, so no offense can be given.

They even went so far as to say that if a Jew was hired they would be required to bring in a letter from their Rabbi saying they were Jewish so they could wear their yarmulke, since it's a hat and against dress code.  I'm pretty sure this violates all kinds of EEO laws but until I can contact an attorney or the state labor board I'm forced to take out my piercings just to keep my job so I can pay the bills.

I think it's completely ridiculous. Yell

April 19, 2012
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P4 and Karate Skunk,

What you're experiencing is not just ignorant bullshit.  It is against the law.  To Karate Skunk, my advise is, send Chris Carter a PM and see if he or one of the other ministers of the church will write you a letter.  If that doesn't work, then get something in writing from HR and take that and the letter to a lawyer.  If HR asks you why you want something in writing, tell them the truth.  That might be enough to stop them, at least for a while.

But be on your guard.  If you force them to allow your piercings via legal action or the threat of legal action they will almost certainly start trying to find some other "legitimate" reason to fire you.  Document all your actions and all their responses.  If they fire you for some thin BS reason, you'll have the records you need to sue.

P4, my advise basically the same.  Get a letter and take it back to the guy who refused to hire you.  Also, use the recording function on your phone to record your next conversation with the guy or (if recording a conversation without the knowledge of both parties is illegal in your state) bring a friend to witness the conversation, because if he still refuses to hire you on the grounds of your modifications he is violating the EEO laws against religious discrimination.

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April 19, 2012
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indi
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i think it is completely unfair, but yeah, blah blah blah life is unfair. you don't have to have a letter from your church stating you go to church to get Sundays and Wednesdays off, but we have to have some proof that we are under a church for body modification and it is our religion just to keep our modifications. all i have to say cause if not, i'm gonna get pissed lol.

April 19, 2012
11:18 am
Jamesryan
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Then again, we're biased.

Find someone on here that isn't on the grounds of body modifications and I will give you a standing ovation. I don't think it's fair, obviously, but I also don't think many other things are fair – like the fact that men do still get paid more than women and this is all kept up in wraps of rules about telling coworkers your pay, etcetera, etcetera. I'd like to see a world one day where we can have whatever holes in our bodies we want and whatever amount of ink in our skin that helps us towards our transcendance. We'll get there someday – maybe not while I'm young, but for my children's sakes, I hope so.

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April 19, 2012
12:21 pm
parasiva007
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if the next generation doesnt have it better then the world truely is a doomed place, just sayin…

April 19, 2012
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@karateskunk – I work in a very similar job to the one you're describing.  I work in a call center with no face to face interaction with customers at all.  Thankfully my center is open minded when it comes to modifications and has the understanding that my piercing and tattoos do not affect my job performance.  Unfortunately not all centers are and that fact is something I find both baffling and distressing.  A public job at least has some justifications there, whether or not we agree with them, but where's the justification in a job that doesn't involve the public at all?  To me, that's just blatant ignorance and discrimination.

April 24, 2012
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strommer
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i agree with vamyremage ive worked at call centers for the past 15 years and a few have told me i cant have my mods and i usually just find a new call center there usually hundreds around and one is gonna hire you no matter what your experience is 

May 1, 2012
1:44 pm
parasiva007
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lots of places do hire with mods tho, im assuming thats if you have the right amount of experience. I met a woman today who was decked out in cool mods from a few facial tattoos to implants, and she works at old navy :/

February 24, 2014
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Hi everyone, I've been reading your posts and I agree with everyone. I work in manufacturing and have to hide 8 of 15 of my piercings (luckily they don't care about tattoos) with 3 hairnets and used to hide my labret with a beard net. At my age I'm lucky to have the job I do but I'd like to be able to be myself and not have to worry about hiding it all. At this point I'm very much ready and looking for a new job. I make $11/hr. Any ideas where I could look besides stores like spencers, hot topic, fishbone, etc.? Help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

March 1, 2014
11:30 am
kaytemew
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I think it's horrible that our modified appearance gives such an issue at the workplace. As long as you are at least hygienic, I don't see what the issue is with your appearance otherwise. Being modified should not suggest we are not hard workers with amazing work ethic to boot.

These things have hardened in our soft pink bellies.
March 7, 2014
5:21 am
Tiffany
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None of this is a matter of being fair or unfair, it's a matter of workplaces arbitrarily deciding who gets to work there based on appearance alone, which is discrimination and it's illegal. The line about needing a letter to clear a yarmulke is crap. They know that no person would wear a yarmulke or turban or any other religious headdress if they didn't subscribe to that religion. You CAN ask HR for their rules of conduct for such practices in writing and you can tell them that you refuse to remove them on religious grounds and if they decide to fire you because of it you'll happily pursue legal action. Tell them that they have to send out a company wide memo stating that any person who wears religious articles of any kind must first clear it in writing, because if you have to, so do they. If they balk about someone's cross necklace being within dress code, ask them why their religious article is and yours is not? If they try to tell you that body or facial piercings or tattoos are viewed as offensive or unprofessional, tell them that you find their cross necklaces to be offensive or unprofessional. That any non-christian potentially could, and that the company is showing religious preference and it's discriminatory. Eventually either they'll back down, or they WILL apply the rules to all religious articles which will anger and alienate 85-95% of their employees. Hehe Also, yes make sure to keep a solid paper trail, because if they fire you for some made up reason you can use that evidence to file a wrongful termination claim with the EEOC, you'll likely still be able to get unemployment (which is on their dime), and if the EEOC finds in your favor there are plenty of organizations who will help you sue their asses. Don't take it lying down, put up a fight! I just checked the EEOC's website and there's a brand new article about employers accommodating religious garb in the workplace. You guys should go check it out!
As far as being told outright at the interview that you won't be hired strictly because of your piercings and for no other reason, you can actually sue for that too. You could start by writing to the company's HR depth or Admin and telling them who "interviewed" you at which location and what they said. They may offer you a position just to avoid being sued. If they back up their manager, file a complaint with your local EEOC. Make sure they understand that the guy was prepared to interview you until he saw you then he basically told you that because of the way you looked and for no other reason he wasn't even going to go through with the interview anymore. That's just as wrong as turning you away because of the color of your skin.
If we do want the world to be a better place for the next generation, we may have to forge the path ourselves, but this is the way to do it. Use proper channels, alert the media, get noticed (for the right reasons). ;)

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May 6, 2015
6:56 am
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Yeah, I really cannot find work at the moment. JUDEAware fucking sucks!

Wotan mit uns!

June 3, 2015
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Applied @ Spencer's tonight. Hopefully, I will be hired. I do not plan on taking out any of my piercings even on the interview. It is my self expression.

Wotan mit uns!

August 5, 2015
4:53 pm
Skully
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I found that mods and jobs do not go well together sometimes. I have piercings and a ton of tattoos, I had the hardest time locating a job. I went to school for cosmetology as its a form of art, the teachers told me I'd be fine and would not ever have a hard time finding work because I am good at what I do. However, I have been turned down several times due to my modifications and its total bullshit! I am a hairdresser still and I also work in an office dealing with people everyday. Some clients are stand-off-ish but hey whatever and others really don't care. The older generation is starting to get use to all the modifications that are happening and understanding that it is an art form. Not everyone with modifications are unintelligent but a lot of white collared individuals believe we are trouble makers or drop outs until you prove them wrong. People and companies need an eye opener!

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